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Puzzler Peter wins engine puzzle with snow-mobile. A Rare Off-road Model for the Soviet Youth (built in the 60s). (No answers received)

"Veterok" ("the swift wind") model remained in concept stage for a very long time (due to the famous Soviet red tape). Only a few prototypes were built, and unfortunately never achieved mass production... http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/12/unique-soviet-snowmobiles.html

What didn’t they use these engines for? Martin.

~ See bottom left for this month’s puzzle ~

 


RealClassic.co.uk: You’ll Like What You See. (Including soon specific mention of our club!)

As you may know, RealClassic.co.uk isn't run by a great big company. It's run by old bike enthusiasts and is supported by our advertisers. But advertising only pays for part of the site's costs. If you enjoy reading what we do, then perhaps you could contribute, too...

RealClassic.co.uk is slightly unusual on the Internet, in that it isn't a loss-leader for a big corporation who are looking to sell you something expensive. Nor is it a hobby site, updated once in a blue moon, or a loose collection of disparate message boards or newsgroups. RealClassic.co.uk is an entire monthly magazine, delivered to you piece by piece in daily updates. This site is produced by media professionals who know (most of the time...) what they're doing with words and pictures and all those links and widgets which make it all hang together. (And load properly) (And not give you a migraine).

The reason that RealClassic.co.uk is now the most popular old bike site on the Internet is because we try to do a proper job. Proper editorial features (not half a story with the rest in a magazine). Frequently updated small ads (tweaked twice a week).  A good mix of news and events and bikes and even a sense of humour.

And all that takes time. It's a full time job keeping the site up to date and shipshape -- we spend around 40 hours a week working on RealClassic.co.uk, and that doesn't take into account all the hours and hours which our contributors put in to writing the features.


Carl's Jupiter Journal ~ Part 1

Well this is the story of how I rebuilt a Jupiter 3. First spend some time ( like four years ) looking for the perfect project, or in my case as cheap as possible & when the advert appears that meets this criteria get there before any other lucky bugger has chance to.

This is how I got my hands on a 1975 Jupiter 3, by being off work that fateful day when the trusty Cossack Owners Club NewsLetter arrived & behold an advert for the bike I was looking for with that magic inscription of "OFFERS" for a Jupiter 3 partly dismantled, seized piston, so like that proverbial rat with it's drainpipe I rang the number & guess what I was the first there, so after chatting to the bloke & finding out it's history (well maybe a young Putin used to ride to & from work at his large office ) an offer of £90 was made on sight unseen & was accepted, I'm sure the bloke must have been upset to lose it as I surmised he shed tears over its departure (well that's what it sounded like over the phone), a date was confirmed for the bike & bits to be collected by the collection company as I did not fancy driving to Wales down those small twisty roads in my large Aussie Chrysler.

So the day of delivery arrived & later that afternoon I became the owner of four boxes of bike parts, one frame with attached wheels & half built engine & a dustbin bag with silencers, down pipes & seat. At this point I started to remember something about a ‘pig in a poke’ & I went & did what any respectable Englishman does at this point, I made a brew & the old adage of "tea always helps" did & upon closer inspection, the pile started to liven my imagination (either that or to much rum in the tea), so with the weather turning, the parts were shoved in the garage & the frame was sheeted up to protect it till another day. Another day arrived (about a fortnight later) & I decided to start work on the heap, firstly I went through the boxes but with not knowing what was what I decided to assemble it, so with common sense & a trade picture I started, surprisingly all went well, parts fitted into place & it started to take shape & after the crud was removed from the silencers they were in really good condition, which meant I'd save a pretty penny with not having to get them plated, after a few hours work I had a ‘heap’ which resembled a motorcycle but surprisingly it was 95% complete with the only parts missing being a pair of indicators, internal mudguard, tank rubbers & the snow cowls, at this point I had a eureka moment (no I didn't think I'll pass it on to some other club member for a slight profit), no I decided to display it on the forth coming stand at the Stafford show I've seen a lot worse on other club stands) & all it really needed was a clean with the pressure washer & the tyres pumped up, so the decision was made it was going to go on display. As to getting the parts an e-mail to Tony Jones got me the pieces within a week from a friend of his in Holland for £25 the lot, all brand new, but he didn't have the snow cowls so I'd have to keep an eye out for them, the best part was that Tony said he'd pick them up when he went to Holland for the Utrecht showing December) so no postage or changing money, so the game was a foot.

The time arrived for the show & the bike was displayed on our stand in its rough condition, & the heap generated allot of interest (so it shows all bikes don't have to be in pristine condition), including meeting a person who had a spare chain cover & a pair of down pipes which he sent me for nothing except the postage (so somebody took pity on it, ah !), also picked up a new silencer, mint headlight rim & a pair of new indicator lenses I bust one while loading), so displaying the bike seemed to be a good idea in the end. With the show over it was time to start the rebuild & first I took some photo's then started to strip it down & store it, after a couple of hours their it was in pieces, a lot of pieces (it's amazing how when it's together how little there looks to be of it), so everything was boxed up ready for the adventurous rebuild. Within few days of stripping it, I got a message from Tony about a sidecar he'd sourced out in Holland from a friend of the bloke who was supplying my parts (the bike was classified as a combo & I'd asked him at Stafford to keep an eye out for a CHEAP!! one), pictures were sent & I liked what I saw, the price was reasonable so a deal was done & Tony agreed to pick it up with the parts, the only thing was it wasn't a Jupiter 3 sidecar it was a Jupiter 2 sidecar (but it will still look great) & it had no holes so I was told, so in less than 6 weeks I had two (possible) heaps & a Christmas to get started..

Comrade Carl.


The Sidecar Side in the UK ~ a reminder by Peter J. Ballard

“Once upon a time, a sidecar could be fitted to either the left or the right of the motorcycle ~ life with a ‘chair’ was good”

Then in 1981 a law was passed (sneaked through) that was incorporated into the UK C&U (Construction and Use Regulations) that required:- any motorcycle first registered in the UK after August 1981 shall only have a sidecar fitted to the left side of the motorcycle. Note this relates to the date of first registration in the UK and not the date of manufacture of the motorcycle, a source of great confusion for owners, police, dealers, DVLA and insurance brokers/companies.

This law change was a problem for the two wheel drive Dnepr outfits as then sold by Neval Motorcycles, since they can not be converted as the sidecar wheel drive goes to the sidecar on the right. This applied to a few MT12 (750cc SV) and a few MT16 (650cc OHV). However, it was possible and seemed to be legal to register these Dneprs as ‘Motor Tricycles’, since they were three wheelers and the UK regulations did not define the orientation of the three wheels. All other conventional three wheelers would have been ‘Reliant’ type (1 at front on centre line & 2 at rear) or ‘Morgan’ type (2 at front and 1 at rear on centre line).

One owner of a MT16 (sidecar on the right) was soon taken to court on the basis of the machine being incorrectly registered as a motor tricycle where it should have been registered as a motorcycle in which case the sidecar was fitted to the wrong side (I think that was the accusation). The owner won the case since it was demonstrated that with the sidecar removed there was no power to the rear wheel of the motorcycle and thus it could not have been used as a motorcycle.

In June 2003 the EU spread its wings (or claws) further and I believe that all but two C&U regulations (of which there were thousands) were scrapped to be replaced by the ‘equivalent’ EU laws. The two that remained I believe were that any sidecar shall be fitted to the left of motorcycle if registered in the UK after Aug 1981 and that headlights of vehicles shall dip to the left.

Now, the C&U & EU regulations are managed by VOSA (Vehicle Operators & Standards Agency) and vehicle registrations are managed by DVLA (Drivers & Vehicles Licensing Agency). So when a vehicle registration application is made to the DVLA for a new vehicle made after June 2003 they will need the certificate that states that the vehicle meets EU law; no certificate means no registration. This is why new motorcycles from such as Ishevsk, Minsk or Chang Jiang can no longer be registered in the UK, they are not built and Homologated/Type Approved to meet EU law (requiring expensive testing and inevitable design changes).

However if for instance a Ural M72 outfit from 1960 is presented to the DVLA with the sidecar on the right then the chances are it will still be given an age related registration number! The DVLA are not responsible for ensuring that the machine complies with the law, that is the responsibility of the owner. Hence there are many older sidecar outfits on the UK roads with the sidecar on the right that although made before 2003 or indeed 1981 they do not comply with the UK law.

Two complications:

1. INSURANCE. Valid insurance on a vehicle that does not meet UK law is difficult or impossible to obtain. I was approached by a club member unable to get insurance on his fairly new two wheel drive outfit (sidecar on the illegal right). After many conversations with Carole Nash Insurance brokers, they contacted all the insurance companies they use and none would issue insurance cover, I quote directly from their letter to me:-

“Carole Nash nor any other Insurance Company or Broker (to the best of our knowledge) is able to insure a motorcycle with illegal modifications. ………Once again Carole Nash are unable to provide cover on any vehicle with disclosed illegal modifications. It is the policyholders responsibility to disclose any modifications to the vehicle in order for us to issue terms and cover……..I apologise that this is not the outcome I feel you expected.. As this is the law Carole Nash as a company are unable to negotiate with our insurers for a more favourable reply……John Garrard - Business Development Team Leader.”

Note; Insurance brokers & companies consider a sidecar as a vehicle ‘modification’, hence the wording above. This insurance problem of course applies to those new two wheel drive Urals and some newly imported Chang Jiangs that are still being sold in small numbers in the UK.

2. MoT Tests. For those two wheel drive sidecar outfits registered between 1981 and 2003 as ‘motor tricycles’, getting a MoT is now difficult. Things have changed with the linking of MoT stations directly to the DVLA via computer and the internet. Each MoT station is authorised to test certain classes of vehicles. The class of each vehicle is held by DVLA for each registration number. So if the owner of a two wheel drive outfit that is registered as a ‘motor tricycle’ turns up at his local motorcycle MoT station that is only authorised to test motorcycles, there will be a problem. When the tester enters into the DVLA computer system the vehicle registration number the system will prevent him from testing that vehicle since it is not in a vehicle class that the tester is allowed to test. The owner has to go away.

So the owner goes to a MoT station authorised to test ‘motor tricycles’ which may well be a car based or motorcycle based garage. The problems do not end there though. There are certain test requirements for conventional three wheelers such as Reliants and Morgans that are not applicable to a two wheel drive outfit and so the tester will not physically be able to test the outfit. I am lead to believe that these aspects include lighting and brakes. So no MoT. Any MoT tester who tests outside the vehicle class for which he is authorised risks losing his licence to carry out MoTs.

Other notes:

  • eBay – there are many older Soviet sidecar outfits being offered for sale on eBay either from the UK or Eastern Europe that have the sidecar on the right. There is a review http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/Right-hand-Sidecars-and-UK-law_W0QQugidZ10000000005300445  which is quite clear and was set up by a conscientious COC member, thanks. I try to contact all these sellers advising them of their responsibilities to tell the potential purchasers.

 

  • The C.O.C issues ‘Dating Certificates’ that authenticates a motorcycle with respect to make, model, originality and year of manufacture. These are typically used by the owners to obtain age related registration numbers from the DVLA. I have now added a final section on the certificate that indicates compliance with the UK sidecar C&U regulation. So if the owner uses the certificate to apply for an age related registration number from the DVLA at least the DVLA officer will see that the outfit does not meet UK law. It is then up to the DVLA to advise the owner accordingly.

I am working with MAG (thoughts of wading through treacle) to talk with the DfT (Department for Transport) to discuss whether the fitment of a brighter light on the mudguard of a right hand sidecar would be sufficient to again allow sidecars to fitted to the right. MAG are also working along the line that banning new right hand sidecars in the UK is restrictive practice for the multitude of sidecar manufacturers in mainland Europe making sidecars only for fitment to the right of the motorcycle.


 

Remember as Noddy once said: “tricycles are twicecles as nicecles as bicycles”.

 

 

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